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This week on Hull on Estates, Diane Vieira and Paul Trudelle discuss dependency and undue influence in the case of Bale vs. Bale. This topic is also discussed by Paul Trudelle in his <a href="http://estatelaw.hullandhull.com/2008/04/articles/topics/estate-trust/dependency-and-undue-influence/">blog post</a>: <br />
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<a href="http://estatelaw.hullandhull.com/2008/04/articles/topics/estate-trust/dependency-and-undue-influence/">http://estatelaw.hullandhull.com/2008/04/articles/topics/estate-trust/dependency-and-undue-influence/</a>]]><![CDATA[<p style="background: rgb(203, 202, 152) none repeat scroll 0%; text-align: justify; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;" class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN" style="font-size: 17pt; color: rgb(50, 60, 60);">Dependency and Undue Influence - <a title="Permalink for Hull on Estate and Succession Planning Podcast #20 - Claims against the Estate" href="http://www.hullandhull.com/podcast/?p=139"><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); text-decoration: none;">Hull on Estates Podcast #108 </span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="author"><span lang="EN-CA">Posted on April 29<sup>th</sup>, 2008 by <a href="http://www.hullandhull.com/who_we_are.html">Hull &amp; Hull LLP</a></span></span><span lang="EN-CA"> </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA">Diane Vieira: Hello and welcome to <st1:city w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Hull</st1:place></st1:city> on Estates. You&rsquo;re listening to Episode #108 on Tuesday, April 29<sup>th</sup>, 2008.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><em style=""><span lang="EN-CA">Welcome to <st1:city w:st="on">Hull</st1:city> on Estates, a series of podcasts for the Canadian legal community dealing with issues and insights surrounding estate planning in <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:country-region w:st="on">Canada</st1:country-region></st1:place>.<span style="">&nbsp; </span><span style="">&nbsp;</span>Hosted by the lawyers of <st1:city w:st="on">Hull</st1:city> &amp; <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:city w:st="on">Hull</st1:city></st1:place>, the podcast will touch on some key considerations when planning estates and Wills.<span style="">&nbsp; </span>Now, here are today&rsquo;s hosts.<o:p></o:p></span></em></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA">Diane Vieira: Hi and welcome to another episode on <st1:city w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Hull</st1:place></st1:city> on Estates, I am Diane Vieira.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA">Paul Trudelle:<span style="">&nbsp; </span>And I&rsquo;m Paul Trudelle. Hi Diane, how are you today?</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA">Diane Vieira: I&rsquo;m good, how are you?</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA">Paul Trudelle: Very good, thank you for filling in. <span style="">&nbsp;</span>You are filling in for Megan Connelly, who was going to be podcasting with me this week, but she ran off to <st1:place w:st="on">South America</st1:place>.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA">Diane Vieira: Yes.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA">Paul Trudelle: She got out of it.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA">Diane Vieira: Yes</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA">Paul Trudelle: She didn&rsquo;t take any trust funds, and she is coming back so there&rsquo;s nothing<span style="">&nbsp; </span>wrong with her going. We hope she has a very good time, and I thank you for joining me today. You have a busy week. <span style="">&nbsp;</span>In addition to podcasting, you are also blogging this week.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA">Diane Vieira: Yes I am. So it is&hellip;I will be featured heavily on the website this week.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA">Paul Trudelle: Yes. Today we thought we would spend some time and talk about a situation that arises in a lot of matters that we see. <span style="">&nbsp;</span>It is the type of situation where there is an elderly person with two or three adult children. <span style="">&nbsp;</span>The elderly person wants to provide for all of them, however the elderly person is often closer to one of the children. <span style="">&nbsp;</span>And prior to death, a property gets transferred to that one child to the exclusion of the other children and they are not able to share in that other property, once the estate falls into place. <span style="">&nbsp;</span>And that causes them much concern and leads to a lot of litigation.<span style="">&nbsp; </span>So we thought we would talk a little bit about that today. </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA">Diane Vieira: And we are going to discuss a case that you actually wrote a blog on last week, its <em style="">Bale vs Bale. </em><span style="">&nbsp;</span>And the facts in that case is similar a situation as you just pointed out. <span style="">&nbsp;</span>There is a mom who, in her Will, leaves her estate to her three sons equally. <span style="">&nbsp;</span>But prior to her death, she conveys her farm to one of the sons.<span style="">&nbsp; </span>The son being the child who is taking care of her and the other two sons in the situation were actually not very much part of her life and didn&rsquo;t provide any care for her and where the applicant&rsquo;s position was that they were estranged from her.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA">Paul Trudelle: Right. <span style="">&nbsp;</span>There was a bit of an issue is to how close these other children were and that usually is the case and there was evidence heard from both sides as to how close they were. <span style="">&nbsp;</span>But I think for the purposes of discussion today, we can just presume that the one child was significantly closer to the mother than the other two. </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA">Diane Vieira: So, just a bit of a background on what happened here was a few years prior to her death, the main asset of the estate was a farm. <span style="">&nbsp;</span>And the mother gave the farm to the applicant. <span style="">&nbsp;</span>And there was testimony as to the capacity of the mother to make this gift with respect, because the other two sons challenged her&hellip;challenged this gift and said it was given to the other son under undue influence.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA">Paul Trudelle: That&rsquo;s right and there was actually some fairly extensive evidence from the solicitor who acted on the transaction and also from her family doctor as to her capacity and both the solicitor and her two family doctors felt that while she was elderly and frail, she did have capacity and she understood what she was doing when she gifted this farm to her one son. <span style="">&nbsp;</span>Then the mother passed away and the one son brought an application to get a declaration that the gift was valid.<span style="">&nbsp; </span>The other two children brought a cross-application to say that the gift was not valid and was a result of undue influence. </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA">Diane Vieira: In the situation the mother, at the time of the gift, was ninety-three years old and a dependant of the applicant.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA">Paul Trudelle: I think that is quite important that evidence with respect to dependency. The mother was living with the son, she was quite adamant that she didn&rsquo;t want to be moved into a nursing home and by living with the one son, she was able to avoid having to move into a nursing home, although she was found to be quite, you know, vulnerable and dependant and relied on that one son for essentially all of her care </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA">Diane Vieira: The judge in this case noted that even though the mother likely did have capacity, she was very vulnerable at the time the gift was made in terms of she was just coming out of the hospital and didn&rsquo;t want to go to a nursing home. <span style="">&nbsp;</span>So that point came out in determining whether or not this was under undue influence </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA">Paul Trudelle: That&rsquo;s right and I think that is very important. <span style="">&nbsp;</span>In looking at undue influence, we see undue influence with respect to gifts. <span style="">&nbsp;</span>We also see it with respect to Wills that are often said to be the result of undue influence.<span style="">&nbsp; </span>And the case law often states that undue influence is beyond influence, it must be undue and it must amount to arm twisting or coercion in the normal course. <span style="">&nbsp;</span>If you are making an allegation of undue influence, however, that is quite different where there&rsquo;s a relationship of dependency or vulnerability.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA">Diane Vieira: In this case, the judge did see a relationship of dependency and suggested that it was up to the applicant to rebut the presumption of undue influence.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA">Paul Trudelle: That&rsquo;s right, and it&rsquo;s because of that presumption that the onus shifts onto the receiver of the gift.<span style="">&nbsp; </span>Presumption of undue influence doesn&rsquo;t apply in every relationship, although it does apply in certain relationships such as a solicitor and client relationship, parent-child,<span style="">&nbsp; </span>guardian and ward, and we are seeing it more and more in other relationships of dependency such as an elderly parent and an adult child.<span style="">&nbsp; </span>And in this case, the judge found that there was a presumption of undue influence and in his analysis went through the cases in which you would find a presumption of undue influence and what follows from that.<span style="">&nbsp; </span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA">I think after finding a relationship of dependency, the Court will then, as set out by the judge in the <span style="">&nbsp;</span><em style="">Bale and Bale</em> decision and referring to the <em style="">Goodman Estate and Geffin</em> decision from 1991, a Supreme Court of Canada case.<span style="">&nbsp; </span>After there is a finding of a relationship of dependency that gives rise to a presumption of undue influence, the Court will then look at the nature of the transaction. <span style="">&nbsp;</span>If it is a commercial transaction or a sale or other transfer, they will look at whether there was consideration or not. <span style="">&nbsp;</span>With respect to other transactions like this one where there is a gift, its not that easy to do that, so what the Court will then look at is the onus moving on to the defendant to rebut that presumption.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA">Diane Vieira: And in this case, the applicant, as part of his evidence, was he offered medical testimony in terms of capacity and her disappointment with her other sons. <span style="">&nbsp;</span>However the judge rejects this in a way. <span style="">&nbsp;</span>What he expected was evidence that this was a transfer made out of gratitude and that was something that neither the lawyer or the applicant spoke of, the reason for this transfer. <span style="">&nbsp;</span>And he found that suggested undue influence.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA">Paul Trudelle: Right and I think they said that, the Court there said that in order to rebut the presumption, it would have to be a result of the mother&rsquo;s full, free and informed thought. <span style="">&nbsp;</span>She was extremely vulnerable and dependent upon the son for her care and that vulnerability tainted the transaction, so to speak. <span style="">&nbsp;</span>And the Court concluded that the decision to convey the farm was the result of undue influence by reason of her dependency. </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA">Diane Vieira: In this situation, do you think it would have made a difference if the mother had independent legal advice?</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA">Paul Trudelle: I think that would help and I think if there was independent legal advice we would have perhaps some evidence with respect to the transaction and the reason for it.<span style="">&nbsp; </span>Here there was legal&hellip;a lawyer was involved and documented the transaction but there was some question as to how the mother got to see the solicitor and as he stated, there was an absence of any notes with respect to the reason for the transaction, it seems.<span style="">&nbsp; </span>So on the issue of undue influence and vulnerability as discussed there was a finding that the gift was made as a result of this undue influence, presumption of undue influence because of the dependency the elderly mother. The Court found that while there was a great deal of affection between the mother and the son and it didn&rsquo;t say that there was anything improper about the relationship, you know, the Court felt that there wasn&rsquo;t&hellip;the affection that they shared for each other wasn&rsquo;t sufficient to validate the transfer of the farm to the son.<span style="">&nbsp; </span>I think it is important to note there that the farm was essentially all of the estate and would leave the other children with nothing.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA">Diane Vieira: Another issue that was decided was in terms of the accounting that the applicant provided. <span style="">&nbsp;</span>He did take a number&hellip;some money from his mother&rsquo;s bank account while he was caring for her.<span style="">&nbsp; </span>He used some of this money to purchase a truck. <span style="">&nbsp;</span>He testified the truck was being used to transport the mother back and forth from medical appointments and what not. <span style="">&nbsp;</span>In this case, the judge found that this truck was a gift.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA">Paul Trudelle: Right and I think just because it was a much smaller amount relative to the value of the estate and because of the findings of capacity, the elderly mother was said to have known about this gift and approved of it and consented to it.<span style="">&nbsp; </span>I think because it wasn&rsquo;t all of the estate, the Court was prepared to let that gift stand, whereas a gift of the entire estate was seen as too much.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA">Diane Vieira: And the judge also found that the respondents, the other two brothers, failed to prove their claim for a loss of occupation rent. <span style="">&nbsp;</span>That was going back to the request that the other brother pay them the rent for the farm they had been using. </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA">Paul Trudelle: Right and I think again the Court wanted to be seen as, you know, being fair and balancing that.<span style="">&nbsp; </span>They didn&rsquo;t allow the farm to go to the son but they weren&rsquo;t going to turn around and charge him occupancy rent for staying in the property during that period because of the assistance he was providing to his mother.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA">Diane Vieira: So in the end, the judge ordered that the sale of the farm be set aside under the grounds of undue influence, while dismissing the respondents&rsquo; other requests for damages and occupation rent.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA">Paul Trudelle: Right and I think that is a good and useful discussion of that case. <span style="">&nbsp;</span>It&rsquo;s the type of case, as we said, that we see often and I think all of the circumstances surrounding any gift of property by a deceased prior to death need to be looked at.<span style="">&nbsp; </span>It&rsquo;s not just enough to say, well, what&rsquo;s in the estate and how is it divided now? You&rsquo;ve got to step back a little bit and see what was in the estate and where did it go, if it was a gift during the lifetime of the testator, was it a gift made while she had capacity, was it a gift that may be tainted by undue influence as a result of his or her dependency.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA">Diane Vieira: Do you think it would have made a difference if the mother in this case, since she did have capacity, made a new Will?</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA">Paul Trudelle: I think it might have. I think again the same analysis that the Court went into with respect to undue influence with respect to the gift might be used with respect to an allegation of undue influence regarding the Will, if, rather than gifting the farm, she simply made a Will leaving the entire farm to her son, the same arguments would have been made, I expect.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA">Diane Vieira: I think that brings us to an end of this week&rsquo;s discussion. Thanks for listening and thanks for joining me today, Paul.<span style="">&nbsp;&nbsp; </span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA">Paul Trudelle: Well, thank you very much. Diane, and we&rsquo;ll speak to you again soon. </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA">Diane Vieira: And we look forward to hearing from our listeners. <span style="">&nbsp;</span>You can send us an email at <a href="mailto:hull.lawyers@gmail.com">hull.lawyers@gmail.com</a> or just pick up the phone and leave us a message or comment at 206-305-6636.<span style="">&nbsp; </span>Be sure to visit our blog at estatelaw.hullandhull.com where you will find even more information and discussion on today&rsquo;s practice of estate law. And you can find the case citation for <em style="">Bale vs Bale</em> on our website. We hope you enjoyed the show. I am Diane Vieira.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA">Paul Trudelle: I am Paul Trudelle.<span style="">&nbsp; </span>And until next week, we&rsquo;ll talk to you then.</span></p>
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